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February 25, 2019

Mornings w Carmen hour 2, Monday, 2-25-2019 First the Jews and then talk of Venezuela, Brexit and Hoda Muthana


Martin Niemoller was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany who spent seven years in a Nazi concentration camp because of his vocal opposition to Hitler. But Neimoller said after the war that in reality, he had spoken up too late.  Neimoller understood that leaders of Protestant churches and others has been complicit through their silence as the Nazi’s identified, segregated, labeled, robbed, separated, dehumanized, imprisoned, enslaved, persecuted and murdered millions of people.  The Holocaust did not begin with ovens, it began with ideas that became words against which no one took a stand. Neimoller’s quote has several variations as he offered it on several occasions in a number of settings.  Essentially, he said,

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

In today’s podcast, Carmen talks with Rabbi Evan Moffic about his new book, First the Jews: combatting the world’s longest running hate campaign.  This candid conversation includes a dose of theological self-awareness, story telling and how to practically stand up for religious liberty in our evermore pluralistic society.

Every Monday includes a conversation between Carmen and Time magazine veteran reporter, David Aikman. Today they discuss Venezuela, Brexit, and Hoda Muthana.  She is the ISIS bride and advocate of domestic terrorism who wants to return to the U.S. from Syria with her child after a change of heart.  Carmen and David talk about the need for justice, compassion, pragmatism and how a war for hearts and minds requires some insider knowledge that Hoda just might possess.




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