June 16, 2020
There are some very uncomfortable conversations we all need to have today. And we need people who will love us enough to allow us to make mistakes in those conversations. To say things that aren’t quite right so we can learn. So that iron can sharpen iron. Justin Giboney and Carmen have been having uncomfortable conversations for a number of years. Today’s first half is an example – and yes, its uncomfortable.
The second half is more like a long exhale. Carmen talks with author Sophie Hudson about her new book, Stand All the Way Up!